Do it for Donna

Murder victim Donna Ogletree Johnson.

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Monday, September 20. 2010

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The pictures are hard to look at.

In my 32 years as a newspaperman, I have seen tragedies up close and personal.

They all pale in comparison to the Donna Johnson crime scene photos.

They are horrific.

My first viewing of them cost me a night’s sleep.

Then I got angry.

Very angry.

Donna is lying face up in a rutted, overgrown field road. The road had been searched prior to a heavy rainstorm.

When the road was rechecked after the rain abated, her body was there.

Despite all the rain, her clothes appear dry in the photos.

She is wearing a blue and pink plaid top that is cinched below her breasts.

Her right breast is nearly exposed.

On and above it is severe damage extending to her shoulder from a beating or where she was run over by a vehicle while still alive.

Donna is wearing blue jeans. The waist line and zipper have been cut away with a knife or heavy scissors.

Her genitals are exposed.

There are two deep gouge wounds on her upper left thigh and bruising on her right thigh and hip.

Donna’s hands and feet are bound behind her back. She is wearing blue, flat-bottomed tennis shoes which are still on her feet.

The knots binding her are elaborate - the work of someone who knew what he or she was doing.

Donna is gagged with a pair of blue panties and a bra. There is a severe abrasion on her right

cheek. Her face is battered from the beating she took.

Her right eye is nearly swollen shut. Her left stares out into space. Hers is a look of helplessness.

The back of Donna’s head shows vicious wounds where the fatal blows were delivered.

The autopsy photos taken later at the Upson County Hospital reveal a zig-zag marking along her back. It matches a tire tread.

A singularly disturbing photo among the extensive gore reveals how Donna was anally penetrated with a foreign object.

This is a tableau of terror. It is the handiwork of an extremely violent person or persons.

It is highly likely one or more of them still walk among us.

That means you and your family are at risk.

If you have any information whatsoever that may lead to an arrest, do the right thing. Do it for Donna. Note: The Herald-Gazette series on the unsolved Donna Johnson murder case has generated scores of tips for law enforcement. Still more information is needed. If you know of anything that might contribute to this investigation, call the GBI regional office in Milledgeville at 1-478-445-4173; the Lamar County sheriff’s office at 770-358-5159; or contact The Herald Gazette at 770-358-NEWS (6397) and we will make sure your information gets into the right hands.

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#1 NOT Shelia Tolley on 09/20/10 at 10:53 AM

Pure Evil.

Get DNA samples from everyone close to the case.

That goes for those who found the body, those who lived close to the scene, those who drove her to the court house, those who worked the case, the husband, the new wife, the nephew, the drug guys at the mansion.

#1.1 Anonymous on 09/21/10 at 01:26 PM

Whats the matter, the big spin on this case does not have you fooled. I bet every one of them you mentioned played a part in it.

#1.1.1 NOT Shelia Tolley on 09/21/10 at 03:58 PM

I believe Donna's murder was a family affair, but that is only because I am not privy to the complete file information. I believe there were A LOT more crimes taking place around that time that came out as well in the investigation. I also believe the mansion's presence hindered the investigation due to the dangerous, big money players involved. No one wanted to really dig into that HUGE pile of crap. I also think HUGE mistakes were made by the law enforcement agencies involved in 1984 and are the reason this case is unsolved and the reason they are tight lipped with the case information. No one wants that HUGE stain on their legacy. Look at Judge English and Caldwell's judicial behavior. It OBVIOUSLY violated the defendants right to a fair judicial hearing, but instead of tackling that head on, people would rather quietly tip-toe away to preserve someones dignity and save money on re-trials.

Justice is a bullshit term used to coddle and make folks feel like people give a shit. Not many do anymore. You can read examples all over these blogs.

#1.1.1.1 Its not you its me on 09/22/10 at 01:26 PM

He or She you still can not make my list with that much sense. Maybe when you get old and get dementia or have an accident and hit your head you will qualify. But I am truly sorry to have to inform you of this. It almost seemed like you wanted to be on it!

#1.1.1.2 Sheila Tolley on 10/03/10 at 08:53 AM

This is probably one of my top ten post on the subject of Donna. Good job, NOT Shelia Tolley. Good summary.

#1.1.1.3 elcie on 10/06/10 at 07:37 PM

Know what, NST? The more I read about this and other stories (Caldwell, Jack Camp, et. al.) I tend to agree with you. I am sorry for our society, because justice is an ideal which is limited by the people who are charged to carry it out. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Judges, law enforcement, lawyers and the community all have agendas, and jurisprudence takes a back seat to all of them.

#2 elcie on 09/22/10 at 08:20 AM

I'm curious to know whether the tire marks on her body could be matched to any of the suspects' vehicles. Any word on that?

#2.1 Sheila Tolley on 09/22/10 at 09:34 AM

Good question, elcie. I remember when the murder happened there was "REAL" serious conversation that the ambulance ran over her, by mistake, I am sure, but that was the announcement. That was before the ambulance driver took her by the courthouse before he took her to the hospital. Seriously, elcie. This was the word back then. It will surprise me if others from that day do not remember these facts.

#2.1.1 NOT Shelia Tolley on 09/22/10 at 11:03 AM

How the hell does a ambulance accidently run over a murder victim???

#2.1.1.1 CSI on 09/22/10 at 01:16 PM

In reverse.

#2.1.2 And People Think Muslims Are Sick? on 09/22/10 at 01:15 PM

Even the ambulance driver was willing to risk his freedom to botch this case!!!! What a trip! Stopped at the court house?! Maybe if they drove straight to the hospital she would be alive today? When a crime happens I am sure some type of official business would be conducted at the court house. How odd. Officials gathering at the courthouse after leaving a murder scene. Is that what will crack this case wide open? Is that what Perdue needs to hear? And to wash a body? What about paperwork, ever think of that? A tragedy yes. A poorly handled case yes. A conviction no. Let this lady rest in peace. What a great way to be remembered after 26 years. Violated, beaten, disregarded. When this is all put to rest I think it would be better for everyone. But until anyone can accept that life is not fair keep the pain alive I guess. Would Donna want you to be angry and horrified for this long? What a pretty woman. I would rather remember her with her clothes on and with that bright smile. Not the memory left by all this talk about a unsolvable case. No one can do this to a human being for any reason and not pay the price either in this life time or the next. Thats why I am not a believer of the Christian religion. Because this would be a true test of that faith. If you can not forgive these violent killers you are not a true Christian. Thats your slogan right "What would Jesus do?". See being a Jew its "Eye for an eye". And believe me if Donna was kin to me I would make sure this would apply to her attackers. But go on and forgive Christians, and better yet pray for these violent offenders, for after all, thats what you do!

#2.1.2.1 elcie on 09/28/10 at 08:51 PM

If this were put to rest, it'd be better for the Johnson family, but not for the Ogletree family.

Nobody rests when a killer walks free- even the murderer. I hope he/they never have a decent night's rest- ever, ever again!

#2.1.2.2 Sheila Tolley on 10/03/10 at 08:58 AM

I do pray for these murderers. I pray they are caught while alive so they can suffer public humiliation and I pray that after death they get to sit in Hitler's lap.

#2.1.3 elcie on 09/28/10 at 08:44 PM

You have got to be effin kidding me. The ambulance ran over her body "by mistake" before they stopped off at the court house?

Again, did anybody get a tire print of the ambulance and of the marks on the body?

#2.1.3.1 BigHelp on 09/29/10 at 06:58 AM

Seems everybody wanted this lady dead. And with no reward or private investigator I guess they dont want to solve the case either.

#2.1.3.1.1 elcie on 09/29/10 at 08:43 AM

Here's the reward: You feel good, because you do the right thing. I guess that concept is beyond you- as is the ability to maintain a consistent identity.

#2.1.3.1.1.1 RewardConceptBeyondEveryone on 09/29/10 at 09:22 AM

Do you think the kind of people involved in such a crime are all about doing the right thing? Its that kind of thinking that hinders this case. Why are you so for something that hinders the case, and so against a reward that can do nothing but help. Money motivates people who are reluctant to speak. The only concept beyond me is the ignorance to making a real attempt to solve this crime. Do the right thing? You just gave me my second good laugh for the day.

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1 elcie on 09/29/10 at 01:54 PM

It's impossible to offer a reward greater than what you can make with a meth lab- or maybe even roofing houses.

If you're so sold on a reward being necessary, offer one yourself and prove me wrong.

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1 ThatWasEasy on 09/29/10 at 05:46 PM

I do not claim to be a "supporter" like you. Personally I would have let Donna rest in peace and turned this over to God a long time ago. Not all cases can be solved. So I guess what I am trying to say is I care about this lady as much as everyone else. And like you I aint gonna do crap to help. Like you, I will look for someone else to do something. Prove you wrong? I already have!

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1 elcie on 10/06/10 at 07:55 PM

So it is your wish to let a murder victim "rest in peace" by dropping the search for her killer. Let God deal with it..How utterly noble and holy of you.

You assume much, Mr. Easy- ironic name, by the way- because you assume that everyone's efforts are limited to blogging on this po-dunk little website. Just keep right on underestimating, miscalculating, being cocky.
Arrogance is almost always the undoing of a criminal.

You speak much, but you know not!

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 AthleticSupporter on 10/07/10 at 08:43 AM

Im sorry. Has a reward or private investigator been put into place? And I am kind if new to this po dunk web site. I really did not realize how many stupid people are on here until I have seen their Bible knowledge. But when people claim to be her "supporters" and cannot answer simple questions I realized this is a freezing cold case. I will place a bet it will never be solved. You claim to be a great supporter. What happened to the reward money? I was told her family bought a fishing boat. But you seem to be claiming to know more than I. Go ahead answer, if this simple question cant be answered I guess I know more than you. But that isnt saying much.

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Concord Resident on 10/07/10 at 08:55 AM

Call the Sheriff of Lamar and ask what bank the money is in. You'll get a "no comment" like others have. If the authorities won't tell you, how the ---- do you think anyone on here will be able to tell you where it went?

#2.1.3.1.1.1.1.2 Anything Is Possible on 09/29/10 at 06:17 PM

Impossible. That seems to be everyones answer about solving this case. Ahh, the negativity. I think thats what you what everyone to believe.

#2.1.3.1.1.1.2 Sheila Tolley on 09/30/10 at 06:34 AM

Here is a plan that I suggest. Milam can turn the evidence over to a Grand Jury. If they agree that there is insufficient evidence, then we can look at a reward system. Why should a reward be offered just because an elected official refuses to do his job and considers himself always right like God?. Why did the ambulance go by the courthouse before taking Donna's body to the hospital?

#2.1.3.1.1.1.2.1 Sheila Tolley on 10/07/10 at 09:35 AM

What? No response to my simple question?

#2.1.3.1.1.1.2.1.1 AthleticSupporters on 10/07/10 at 10:32 AM

What is this a test? A question like this from a woman that claims to be a "supporter" of Donna's. I am going to hold out and see if any of her other so called "supporters" know this.

Athletic Supporter-sometimes referred to as a jock strap

#2.1.3.1.1.2 I put my money on the burger! on 09/29/10 at 09:46 AM

So you think NOT having a reward will be better? What the heck kind of thinking is that? Come out with it. Is it because her "supporters" find their money more valuable than catching this ladys killer? Or is it just plain ignorance. Again the first two things that loved ones do in this situation is put a private investigator in place as well as a reward. And you think those tactics should be debated. Keep waiting for someone else to do something. Because you all made it pretty clear that a BigMac is worth more to you than this ladys life. Let the smoke and mirrors continue............But it really might just be ignorace...........Oh well, both will get the same results as the past 26 years.

#2.1.3.2 rhoda dunn on 09/29/10 at 11:59 AM

i remember hearing that the ambulance ran over her. i do not know this as a fact.

#3 Brenda on 09/28/10 at 01:19 PM

I am not sure if Donna is kin to me; but even if she is not, there should be someone assigned to this case until there are answers...no matter how long it takes!

The murderer thinks (he or she) has gotten by with committing this murder, but God sees all and knows all; God says vengeance is mine:

Psalm 94:1
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
Jeremiah 11:20
But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

We should all pray and ask God to reveal the murderer, the truth, and evidence to the authorities that are investigating the case.

The murderer will stand one day before God in judgement.

I will pray for God to give his peace and comfort to Donna's family. I will pray that God reveal all.

#3.1 Welcome To Death Row on 09/28/10 at 02:56 PM

People should live out there life in peace and leave this to God. But they do not. They have let this case rob their peace for 26 years and counting. They believe if they do not convict him in this world he will go unpunished. Donnas family is responsible for their own peace. Keep bitching to God for peace. If you are unable to find it on your own you never will. Prayer without any action on your own part is worthless. Thats one reason I am happy to be born black. I do not have such high expectations of life being fair like you white folk. I learned young while the rest of you might not even figure it out in your whole lifetime. This murderer might be in line behind you on judgment day. You both can explain why you both could not obey 10 simple commandments. If you break one you might as well break them all. Jesus has said. So every time you sin you are on the same level as this man. Welcome to death row!

#3.1.1 Anonymous on 09/28/10 at 07:02 PM

My sin of lying IS NOT the same as this murder. You have bumped your head!

#3.1.1.1 Which Commandments Are Unimportant? on 09/28/10 at 07:33 PM

Thats not what the bible states. Jesus himself said if you break one commandment you might as well break them all. All commandments are equal. I am sure a self serving Christian like yourself would disagree. Just so I can get a good laugh why dont you tell me the 10 commandments in the order of their importance. You slap Jesus harder in the face when you do which one? A sin is a sin my friend. But if it makes you feel better you can come up with your own point system. Maybe when Jesus returns you and him can work it out.

#3.1.1.1.1 Anonymous on 09/28/10 at 07:56 PM

Then why are we executing people for lying?

#3.1.1.1.2 Anonymous on 09/28/10 at 08:03 PM

Who wrote the bible? It wasn't God. It was men who were not perfect who claimed to speak for God. Do you think they were all perfect and without fault??

#3.1.1.1.3 Anonymous on 09/28/10 at 08:15 PM

Ok, so I lied today by telling a woman her hair looked beautiful. So, according to you, I am already a sinning little twerp, so tomorrow I might as well commit adultery and maybe murder a few folks??

Also, according to you, because I told this woman her ugly haircut was beautiful, I am on level with someone who hog-tied, sexually assaulted, tortured, mutilated and murdered Donna Johnson.

That is wack and if you do not think so, you are wack too. We are all sinners, but I choose to believe equal sins is BS.

NO WAY. Don't be sheep blindly following without using your common sense.

I guess you would believe child molestation isn't a sin because it's not included in the 10 commandments.

#3.1.1.1.3.1 TheRealDeal on 09/29/10 at 06:19 AM

I think the whole Christian religion is stupid myself. But the bible will tell you a sin, is a sin is, a sin. Jesus said if you break one Commandment you might as well break them all. And "As it is written", if you did commit adultery you might as well have killed some one. Again when your finished putting your Commandments in order of importance let me know. Yes child molestation is a sin. To God it is not any worse than a lie. Does it take a Christian longer to forgive a child molester than one who bears false witness, does it take God longer? As you said we are all sinners. 95% Christians will not even think of honoring the fifth commandment. It is just too hard. And Christians will kill also. They just need a US Military uniform and they are ready, no questions asked. Your thinking is real world common sense. And it goes against what the bible teaches. And actually I do agree with you. Knowing the bible is a fiction book makes it that much easier. Unless you will not forgive a child molester and treat him kindly, you need to give up on the Christianity. Because that would be a true test of the faith. Rapists, serial killers, child killers, and so on. Love them all Christians! If you can not forgive them you are not a Christian. This is hard for people to swallow but thats "How it is written". The bible also states that very few will make it to heaven. Gee, I wonder why?

#3.1.1.1.3.2 RealWorld on 09/29/10 at 06:54 AM

It is funny to me how you minimized your sin to the smallest lie you could think off. I guess that would be the smartest thing you could do to help make your point. Molest children, desecrate the Sabbath, and bear false witness. You Christians believe you can do it and still go to heaven. I find Christianity and its vast amount of clueless followers repulsive. I am glad the U.S.court system does not follow these stupid beliefs. Could you imagine all these sick folks being forgiven. I am glad they stick to the Koran and believe in an eye for an eye. That is the purpose of gas chambers, electric chairs, lethal injections, and firing squads.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1 Rob Roy on 09/29/10 at 07:35 AM

Broken Record. Keeps skipping and repeating the same phrase.

Get a new song PLEASE!!!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1 RobRoyListensToDisco on 09/29/10 at 08:45 AM

Thats some great insight on the topic. You must be a highly educated person with those views.I can not even debate them. Do you know what I do when a radio station plays a song I do not like? You sound like a genius I will let you figure it out.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 09/29/10 at 10:08 AM

First, nothing you've said is on any topic that you've commented on, just a continuous barrage about a subject (Christianity) that you appear to know nothing about.

Second, my comments may be short but at least they aren't the same worthless drivel repeated over and over like your comments.

Finally, if you are so in love with the muslim culture, why don't you head over to Saudi Arabia, Iran or any of anumber of predominantly muslim countries and live there a few years. Let's see if you can sing a new song then.

You should at least be happy that I decided to waste this many words on you.

Now come on back with "You are a sinner because you are a Christian and celebrate the Sabbath on the wrong day".

That is such a great statement. Especially if you repeat it over and over and over and over ad nauseum.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1 RobRoyIsGoingToExplainHimself! on 09/29/10 at 05:56 PM

Okay now we are talking. I look to you now RR for insight. What parts of Christianity do I know nothing about? Correct me where you think I am wrong. As much as I have wrote this is going to be easy for you, yes? Show us all my wise man. Like they say in the city, your mouth is moving, but your not saying anything. Lets see you waste some words of intelligence!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 09/30/10 at 12:43 PM

Please show me the chapter and verse in the Bible that says Saturday is the Sabbath. Bible scholars cannot agree on it but I would love to see you support your supposition with actual passages from the Bible.

I'll be waiting.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Free Ride on 09/30/10 at 08:46 PM

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. Now start counting on your fingers. Sunday, Monday, and so on. This is not big news. It took God 6 days to create the earth and on the Seventh day he rested. There are Christian church's who keep the Sabbath holy and worship on Saturday. The Seventh Day Adventists are one of them. Contact one of them if you want all the facts. Me, it was not so hard to see that if the week starts on Sunday , Saturday would be the seventh day. The Jews also follow the Commandments and worship on Saturday. The only thing that happened on Sunday in the bible is when Jesus rose from the dead. Easter Sunday. Someone figured along the way that Sunday would bring in more people and in return more money. Why do you think as many pastors who know this is true will not obey this Commandment. I have spoken about this with a pastor one of the largest churchs in Pike County (I swear all my loved ones life on this) and he admitted I was correct. They would lose there aze in donations if they made a move to Saturday. But you know something, I do not see the day of the week as a big deal. If you truly believe with all your heart it is Sunday fine. Can you obey the laws of the Sabbath on Sunday? Will you keep Sunday holy as the 4th Commandment states. People will not even do that. Do not do any work or cause anyone else to have to. No chicken wings, no family reunion at the restaurant, no shopping, just time with the family. A true day of rest. But come on, read the Commandment it tells you which day it is and what to do. Whats funny to me is this would be a sacrifice to so many to uphold this Commandment. But Jesus is just not worth all that trouble to them. He is just their scapegoat for sin. In Gods eyes if you do not keep the Sabbath Holy you are no different to a killer when it comes to obeying his Commandments. Think how much someone would have to sacrifice to start following Gods words. Self proclaimed Christians have made there lives as easy as possible. They will sacrifice nothing. And will be screaming "Jesus Saves! all the way to hell. Again if you believe it is on Sunday with all your heart you will have no issues with God. Its what you do with the day you claim is your Sabbath. If you stay true to that 4th Commandment you are true to the Christian faith. Not many Christians will be. But than again the Bible states few will be chosen. But I am sure your preacher man tells you you are all going. Its all about sales!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 06:21 AM

I read your post. Didn't see chapter or verse mentioning Saturday. Just another bunch of word vomit meaning absolutely nothing.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 RobRoyCantHandleTheTruth on 10/01/10 at 10:55 AM

Would you rather it come from a book of fact or fiction? Someone of your sense prefers fiction. Why am I not surprised? Go ask a jew. They have been around a lot longer than self proclaimed Christians. I guess you see it says Sunday somewhere? Your fingers go to typing and you again say nothing.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 LostCause on 10/01/10 at 10:59 AM

You may be right. I can not debate with a man that is smarter than a history book. If you have been allowed to breed I really feel sorry for your children. Maybe they got lucky and the ex-wife has custody.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 11:40 AM

Trust me, my children are much smarter than you.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 BookSmart on 10/01/10 at 11:57 AM

With a dad who claims he is smarter than a history book I see why you would believe that!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 01:43 PM

Are you claiming to know all of history? Because I haven't seen you cite a reference to anything. All I've seen is your continuous rants as if you had good sense (which obviously you don't).

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.3 Sheila Tolley on 10/03/10 at 09:22 AM

The Bible does not speak of days of the week, or months of the year. It speaks of seasons and times.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Just allocate some time to Jesus and Jesus only. That will make Jesus happy. Give your money, love, or assistance to someone who needs it. It does not need to be a preacher and it is not necessary that it be in church.
Now be sweet and behave. Jesus loves the little children all the children of the world.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Anonymous on 10/01/10 at 07:07 AM

In the rest of the world, Monday is the first day of the week. The US calender shows Sunday as the First Day.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 BibleProfessorDefinesSabbath on 10/01/10 at 09:44 AM

True definition from World Book Encyclopedia. SABBATH, SAB uhth, is the rest day for the Jews. It comes on Saturday the seventh day of the week. TODAY, Christians also use the "WORD" Sabbath for their Sunday.
Many Jews today still keep strict Sabbath regulations Their Sabbath lasts from sunset Friday evening until sunset Saturday. Christians have generally ADOPTED Sunday as the Sabbath because they believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead on Sunday. But the Seventh-Day Adventists, a Christian sect, still observes Saturday as the Sabbath. Note how it says TODAY. Early in the bible all observed Saturday. But I am a realist. If you believe with all your heart that it is Sunday, fine. Now all you have to do is obey those "regulations" the 4th Commandment speaks of. I would love to hear you self proclaimed "Christians" try to twist them around to keep up with your selfish lifestyles. Again I do not make this stuff up. Its all in the book you folks carry to Church on the wrong day of the week. Jesus himself said if you love him keep the Commandments holy! As it is written in the New Testament. What we call bible scholars call a biblical fact in a fiction book. Keep pissing on Jesus every week, it might be the key to everlasting life. A little knowledge? I have studied this book for years. If preacher man didnt have his eye on the profits you would already know this. We do not do interpretations. Thats where things get dangerous. "As it is written" is all we go on. Not what we think. There is enough fairy tales in the book already. We do not need modern, self serving man, adding to them.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 10:16 AM

Still haven't seen that chapter and verse yet.

BTW, the calendar was created by man not God. God rested on the 7th day. He did not specify that we should call that day Saturday.

Sorry, you're still not convincing enough for me despite your obviously extensive knowledge on the bible.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Educational Hot Line on 10/01/10 at 01:14 PM

If a history book or encyclopedia is not convincing enough what is? What has you convinced it is Sunday? Because somebody told you? Wow, in that case you better stick to your belief. You have greater sources of knowledge than me. When all the books in the world can not educate you enough on a topic go to Rob Roy. Do you have a phone number I can give people when I tell them this? Somebody who shares your drinking water might actually call.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 01:36 PM

Just say you can't if you can't. No need to denigrate the people on this blog because you can't show any biblical support for your supposition that the Sabbath is Saturday.

You claim to be Jewish so I will even allow you to show me in the Torah.

Please, send me any passage from either book that shows what day the Sabbath falls on.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 At least put a song on the record! on 10/01/10 at 06:33 PM

Like I said, if a book of facts will not convince you, nothing will. Its in librarys all over the world (those are the buildings full of books).I am sure your source of knowledge is far more superior than the encyclopedia and other books that contain history. If you say it does not say Saturday or Sunday in the Bible I guess you would have to look elsewhere. Or in your case believe what your uncle Bubba told you. Me I look to books of facts and history. Is history wrong too? Again how many books support Sunday? What was that? None? As always you bring nothing to the table. NOTHING. I have millions of books and you got Uncle Bubba. Gee, you got me!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/02/10 at 07:49 AM

When God created the heavens and the earth, there were no books. So please explain how the encyclopedia is going to tell you the day God rested when the written word didn't exist until thousands of years later.

You can't know when the Sabbath is just as the religious scholars can't know and have therefore argued over it for the last 2000 years.

So give it up. Your argument is moot and meaningless.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 StillSmarterThanABook! on 10/03/10 at 07:19 PM

Argue with you maybe. Every book I have looked in states Saturday as the Sabbath. What book do you have that says people are even arguing the fact? It is really common knowledge to most. But go ahead let me know the book you look to so I can see where your knowledge is coming from. So far the only place you have shown it come from is your a$$. We have made you a celebrity in the shop. After reading your blogs, when someone says or does something stupid, we call them a RobRoy!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 RobRoy Vs. Caveman on 10/03/10 at 11:50 PM

Argued about it for over 2000 years? Preacher man must tell you this crap when he takes your money every week. Man are you being fooled. You really need to open a few books. This is not a great mystery or the worlds best kept secret. Only people with selfish reasons will keep you from finding out the facts. I am talking world history. Not what preacher man says or "translates" out his bible. An interpretation, translation, and an opinion is three of the same. Like a hiney hole, everybody has one. And these three things will give you plenty to argue about for 2000 years and more. But as it is written? Well that speaks for itself. Just how it is written. No more, no less. Not too much to argue about there. Unless you have opinions of your own that are backed by not one book. Those opinions can be argued forever. Because it is nothing more than an opinion. Derived from rumors and what one thinks. What scholars call useless information. After all, where did you get all the information you speak of from? How reliable is this source? How many sources state the same fact? Answer these few questions? They are so simple a caveman could do it. But that certainly doesnt mean a RobRoy can. Or can he?

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2 Rob Roy on 10/01/10 at 01:38 PM

Also, could you please make use of your encyclopedia and tell me what the two days after Friday are called collectively.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1 Teach a man to fish....... on 10/02/10 at 12:53 PM

No Roy, I really think its time that you open a book. Maybe if you did you will realize you are not smarter than one!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.2 TheThingsIDoForRobRoy on 10/02/10 at 03:36 PM

Roy, you got me curious so heres what it says:

SATURDAY, called Saeter-daeg by the Anglo Saxons, is the seventh day of the week. It is named for the Roman God Saturn and is the only day named for a Roman God. Saturday is the Sabbath for Jews and the Seventh-Day Adventists. See also WEEK.

SUNDAY is the first day of the week among Christian peeples. The early Christians lived hard lives and had to work on Sunday as well as other days in the week. But THEY made Sunday a special day of Worship because they believed that the resurrection of Jesus occurred on that day. By the A.D. 300's both the church and state recognized the day as a day of rest in Europe. See also WEEK

Yes , over 300 years after the death of Jesus , the church and the state recognized Sunday as a day of Worship. They did not reinvent the Sabbath as most people believe. They do not even think it is the Sabbath. How could they when they know it is the first day of the week. Just because Jesus supposedly rose on a Sunday churches have Christians so lost they are pissing on the Commandments and do not even know it. Keep that Saturday holy Rob Roy. I do not know why your giving me a hard time. I did not make up these Commandments. From what the bible says God did. And personally I think Jesus is a fraud. Just like his so called "followers" today. But for those who do not think that, he also stated that if you love him, keep the Commandments holy. True bible Scholars know these facts. They are in history books around the world. You can Worship seven days a week and people do. But God declared Saturday the day of rest as it was for him. And if you try with all your heart to uphold this Commandment,as well as the other nine, you are doing your part. But if you think it is not important tell God when you see him why that is. He will enjoy your selfish reasons I am sure.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.1 Rob Roy on 10/04/10 at 05:51 AM

I see you didn't keep your Sabbath.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.2 Bob Jones on 10/06/10 at 08:15 PM

Read what you copied and pasted.

SATURDAY, It is named for the Roman God Saturn and is the only day named for a Roman God.

(Not Our GOD YHVH--I AM THAT I AM)

Saturday is the Sabbath for Jews

( those that deny Jesus Christ)(1st Epistle of John says they are liars)

and the Seventh-Day Adventists.
See also WEEK.

Saturn is the 6th planet from the Sun and has always been representative of Satan. See Amos 5:26 and research the word chiun (Remphan in Acts 7:43). Find out why that generation could not enter the promised land.

A good resource is http://www.e-sword.net Its a free bible program with Strong's concordance.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.2.1 MansWordsGreaterThanGod? on 10/07/10 at 08:58 AM

I do not understand how this translates into do not keep the Commandments holy. Nor do I understand how it says to ignore the fact that Jesus said if you love him keep the Commandments holy. The Commandments were put in stone by God. As it is written anyway. Are you trying to over ride that fact with these man written verses? Of course the Jews are going to Recognize the Sabbath as Saturday. They were along way before Christians started screwing with it. And that did not even become an issue until over 300 years after Jesus's death. Thats when a portion, not even all Christians started to stray from what is written. The Seventh-Day Adventists read from the Bible and follow it. The other self proclaimed Christians try to take man written verses and try to manipulate them. And it is always for selfish reasons. Have you ever seen them interpret something to make their life harder, heck no! Something to think about isnt it? So obvious to the people observing. But the people fooled are completely ignorant to it.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2 Meansville Militia on 10/02/10 at 04:26 PM

I've read your post again. I'm certain you are sincere in your false beliefs. You change your name each time you post. You are obsessed with wings-n-things as well as church profits.You call names 'nutty muslims'...yet you support Obama...you say the bible is a work of fiction.. yet you have studied it for years....If you are bringing me God's truth go back and tell him the message has suffered greatly with the messenger. You are as a child playing with a loaded and cocked revolver in a crowded room. You risk not only your life but the eternal life of whomever you influence with this confusion.I advise you seriously consider your eternal soul in jeopardy. This is not a personal attack but an honest warning given in humility and concern.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1 False Belief? What the........ on 10/03/10 at 06:56 PM

A belief is neither false or true, it is just a belief. There is no such thing as a true belief. And for that matter a false belief. You can study a fictional book like the bible. The only thing different when you study something the need for altering it like you self proclaimed Christians do, with interpretations and other self serving tactics, does not come into play. Just read the book. Note what it says. Read the Commandments. Note what they are. See what Christians follow the bible. See what ones dont. We go by "as it is written" and nothing more. Simple. But not for people like you that do not even know what a belief is. And how old are you? False belief! Never heard of such a thing. But then again I have not heard of alot of your other dribble either. But as always thanks for the laugh. You are turning into a real RobRoy!!!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.2 ReadyAimFire!!! on 10/03/10 at 07:10 PM

False belief!!!! You are a trip. When someone starts a blog with such a stupid and misguided statement they need to start over. And this person wants to educate you about beliefs? Any one can believe anything. It does not make it true or false. I think I will go elsewhere for insight on beliefs. I am sure you see why. You do not even no the basics of religion. The only good you can do the world with a gun is to stick it in your mouth!!!!

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.3 Moron on belief on 10/03/10 at 08:39 PM

A belief is not something a mind possesses a belief possesses the mind. "False belief" is an oxymoron. A person that writes such phrases is known as just a moron. And in some parts of the world a RobRoy.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.2 Meansville Militia on 10/01/10 at 04:46 PM

Greetings Rob Roy ! from one of your descendents 300 plus yrs hence. Aye, I'm from the Clan MacGregor. Methinks my kindred is better versed than he appears. I surmise thou adheres to the admonition against 'casting thy pearls before swine. Is thy kindred getting a bit warm ?

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.1.1.2.1 Magically Delicious on 10/02/10 at 01:41 PM

This guy just jump out a Lucky Charms box?

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.2 On Ice on 09/29/10 at 11:26 AM

Rob Roy, we do not need a new song, Just a new title. How about;

DO IT FOR PIKE PATRIOT HOMEOWNER.

#3.1.1.1.3.2.1.2.1 PPH is on the jazz on 09/29/10 at 06:19 PM

Thats kind of catchy.

#3.1.1.1.3.3 TalesFromTheNewTestament on 09/29/10 at 11:03 AM

Common sense? We are talking about a book who has a man born from a virgin women. A man who can turn water into wine. A man that can walk on water. A man who can split a whole friggin sea. A man who can feed a whole crowd with one fish. And you want to put common sense into play. Common sense does not apply here. Just blind faith, at least 10% of your income, and enough suckers to believe it. And Christians want to talk about Muslims and their 13 virgins!! I can imagine what they think about your tales from the "New Testament".

#3.1.1.1.3.3.1 Born and Raised in Pike County on 10/01/10 at 01:08 PM

My first inclination was to ask you for your definition of eternity. I quickly realized that would be the same as asking an idiot for his explanation of the Theory of Relativity. You seem to enjoy making light of the faith of others. Have you ever had a lucid moment wherein you considered the possibility they just might
be right? Either way, you and all the rest of us will one day become quite familiar with the concept of eternity. Some
will enjoy it Heaven while others suffer it in Hell. The
choice is yours. Choose wisely because you only get one
shot.

#3.1.1.1.3.3.1.1 elcie on 10/01/10 at 02:03 PM

Bravo, BARIPC. Very, very well-said.

#3.1.1.1.3.3.1.2 GetYourWings on 10/01/10 at 04:41 PM

Dictionary's are for definitions. History books state facts. A Christian who does not follow the Ten Commandments is blowing that one shot, as it is written. And preacher man is so happy to be taking his money he will let him. As for talking about hell and what not, in an educated manner it would go something like this. "It is my belief that you have one shot to heaven". "It is my belief that we will have everlasting life". "It states in the Bible that........" The only fact that comes out the Bible is the fact of what is written inside. No, interpretations either. Just as it is written. I know about beliefs. I have an 8 year old that believes Santa Claus is coming for Christmas. You can not state facts out of a fiction book. And it is a book of fiction. Whats your angle anyhow? The Ten Commandments are not important? We are all sinners, yea! Who cares about the Sabbath? Born in raised in Pike and can not give up my family reunion and chicken wings on Sunday. What kind of self proclaimed Christian sounds most like you. Probably all four. Yes out of the few the bible states will get in heaven, I am sure your on the list. Oh the sacrifices of a self proclaimed Christian. Its so easy a caveman can do it! Thats what they should put on the sign in front of these open on Sunday churches. 10% of at Wings N Thing's for all 9 Commandment Christians. Sunday Only.

#3.1.1.1.3.3.1.3 AnythingIsPossible on 10/01/10 at 04:46 PM

Jesus should of had a lucid moment and considered the possibility that they might be right. Would have saved him a lot of time and pain if he did. I guess you can call him an idiot after you piss on him this Saturday.

#3.1.1.1.3.4 HowLowCanYouGo? on 10/04/10 at 02:18 PM

Child molestation is not even mentioned in the bible. But homosexuality is pretty clear to be a sin. So what are you trying to say? Being that the Christian church now supports homo's and has them ordained as pastors we should practice child molestation next. You Christians are sick. But capitalizing on the Homo's has become quite profitable so I have to give them some credit. Hats off to the CFO of the Christian church. Just when I thought you could not stoop any lower for profit you pulled off another great financial move.

#3.1.1.2 Harmless on 09/28/10 at 07:35 PM

You have no idea of the destruction that lie has caused. It might just lead to someones death.

#3.1.1.3 ThanksForYourSupport on 09/29/10 at 10:51 AM

Lies has what kept Donna Johnson's killers stay free. Who knows how many other people were killed because of them. All because lies kept them free.

#3.1.1.4 Sheila Tolley on 09/30/10 at 06:55 AM

Actually 3.1 is right in his interpretation, Anonymous. The Ten Commandments are equal in importance. The priorities were established by The Law of the Land, in which God expects compliance. It just so happens that our law has decided that adultery is fine, (ex: Judge English) but murder is not. Unless enough elected officials can keep the facts hidden until all involved are dead. They may not get the public humiliation that we think they deserve but OH HOW THEY WILL PAY when God sweeps out from under the old proverbial rug under which they hide their secrets.

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's

#3.1.1.4.1 The Real Sheila Tolley Speaks! on 09/30/10 at 11:33 AM

This can not be the real Sheila Tolley! I am in disbelief. This is what it takes to be a true Christian! Its in the book you folks are carrying around. I did not right it. Thats why the bible states very few will get into heaven. The earth was created in six days. On the seventh (Saturday) God rested. The 4th Commandment is probably the simplest yet most pissed on one of them all. But for a family reunion and some Wings n Things it just seems worth it to so many "Christians". 10 Commandments. No flight lessons. No hijacking. You do not even have to go out like a terrorist on a suicide mission. Just 10 simple Commandments. But they are not so simple for the selfish. Some of them nutty Muslims sacrifice themselves to God thinking it will get them into "their" heaven. You can not even get these self proclaimed "Christians" to give up a Saturday! Unreal. I could not even imagine Jesus out front of a WalMart on Saturday. If you thought those spikes were painful I think those thousands of self proclaimed Christians trampling over him to get inside would be so much worse. Especially after ALL he has done for YOU! It is understood that police, hospital and other people who are critical to the lives and safety of others must work. In this case, all profits of the day should go to the Church. Not only does this show respect to God, it sets an example to others. Believe me most people would rather wait until after the Sabbath to build that new deck than have to give their profits to the church. And that is the whole point. I do appreciate your help on this Sheila. Something tells me I am never gonna get any support from you on my O'Bama campaign. But thats alright. Thats not going to give anyone everlasting life anyhow!

#3.1.1.4.1.1 DJ on 09/30/10 at 12:10 PM

It might sound like a broken record but as much as it has been played hardly anybody knows the songs!

#4 Meansville Militia on 10/01/10 at 06:58 AM

A little (bible) knowledge is a dangerous thing. We are no longer under the law but grace.The law, that handwriting of ordinances was fulfilled in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and nailed to the cross with him. It was never meant to be kept but rather as a schoolmaster to show we couldnt keep it.Dont pull that list of do's and dont's off the cross to beat me over the head. Why are so many still feeding on spiritual milk when there is meat ready for the mature ? My Father in heaven open their eyes ! the battle is at hand ! Where are the soldiers ?

#4.1 WillNotEvenListenToJesus'sOwnWords on 10/01/10 at 09:12 AM

You just gave me a flashback when I was locked up for a DUI back in 1995. I had to hear your words from every child molester, rapist, thief, and killer in the joint. Jesus is the one that said if you love him keep the Commandments Holy. No religion lives by grace except a large portion of the Christian religion. But it is also written that a small portion is going to make it to heaven so I guess it makes sense. Like the self proclaimed "Christian" religion is not selfish enough, now you do not even have to obey the Commandments. I wish I could believe that. It would be the simplest religion out there. No sacrifice. Cool! Thats why aze backwards Christian churches are so profitable. They are so easy a cave man can do it! And keep your DUI comments to yourself. With Jesus turning water into wine I thought alcohol was something good. I did not know that it kills more people than all other drugs combined. For a man that could see the future he really screwed up with the wine promotion.

#4.1.1 Meansville Militia on 10/01/10 at 04:23 PM

It is simple. Jesus was against organized religion. The church condemned him because of the company he kept, thieves, whores, drunkards, sinners of all types. He was their friend. Lets put the church aside... if you believe with whatever faith you have that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was who he said he was, and ask in sincerity that you would like to be included in his offer of salvation.You're in.....not a religion or demonination...but a relationship with Jesus. You can now cast all your doubts, fears, guilt, etc...upon his shoulders... you're free !

#4.2 Pray N Save on 10/01/10 at 10:03 AM

Wow! A church that uses the Bible for a doorstop. This is the best one yet. I am going to start one just like it that just wants 5% of your income. That will put all them other churches out of business. No sacrifice, no rules, and best yet, less money!!

#4.3 Anonymous on 10/01/10 at 10:25 AM

Where in the bible did you get this from?

#4.3.1 v smith on 10/01/10 at 01:40 PM

i believe Galatians will shed some light on this statement.

#4.4 Beware of this man on 10/01/10 at 10:40 AM

What cant you keep? The killing people part? Cheating on your wife? The lying? Other Gods? The Sabbath? You are really having a hard time with this?

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#6 Meansville Militia on 10/01/10 at 03:37 PM

In all sincerity and without malice I must say ya'll havent shown me Jesus in comment or attitude. I'm against organized religion just as Jesus was. He told the pharisees 'you make void the word of God by your traditions'."Beware lest any man(or woman) spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit."Colossians ch.2v.8...."Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" "Let no man(or woman)therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col. ch.2 vs14, 16&17. I see in all of your words not Jesus Christ of Nazareth who in love died for me that I might live with him in heaven being adopted in Gods family. I dont have to change a damned thing about my life, he takes me as I am just as full of sin and wickedness as everyone else. If I have to do anything save believe in faith that means what Jesus did wasnt enough. This is the chance now to humble yourselves, cast out that self righteous spirit and beg Gods forgiveness.Once God makes himself real to you nothing is the same.I take my salvation seriously. I will pray for ya'll and my only desire is for God to make himself real to each of you. God bless and keep ya'll in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth

#6.1 Anonymous on 10/01/10 at 05:58 PM

This is not true killers and child molesters and the like. Do not be fooled!

#6.1.1 Meansville Militia on 10/02/10 at 02:43 PM

Jesus forgave those that nailed him to the cross. Forgave them as he was dying.

#6.2 Anonymous on 10/01/10 at 06:06 PM

I do not have to do a damned thing? I can not wait to be convinced to worship with you. You got it going on. All these other religions want me to sacrifice stuff and obey commandments. Go jesus! Love it! Friday night to! Im gonna get my freak on! See ya sunday.

#6.3 BringTheChildren on 10/02/10 at 01:38 PM

People actually bring their children to your Church?

#7 Bunchofidiots on 10/01/10 at 08:34 PM

This is how you low life hillbillys do it. Blogging about everything but Donna Johnson, Do It For Donna ??

#7.1 RIP Donna on 10/02/10 at 12:50 PM

This case has been closed. The lack of love for this lady will keep it that way. With no private investigator or reward, the simplest most common tactics have not even been applied. There is no attempt to shine new light on this case. Just a bunch of talk and pointing blame at what people did wrong 26 years ago. And do not forget all the people sitting on their aze waiting for a miracle, or somebody else to do something. They call themselves her "supporters". The real message from this story is not how worthless the investigators were 26 years ago. Its how worthless her family and "supporters" are today.

#8 Meansville Militia on 10/01/10 at 11:07 PM

I regret and apologize for posting on this thread. As a low life hillbilly and follower of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I only sought to offer what little insight and truth God has shown me the past 50yrs. I'd like to thank those that attacked ideas they didnt understand. I wouldnt want you to leave your church or the saturday sabbath as salvation plan. I dont know you just as you dont me. After reading all the confusing convoluted theology and being condemned for bible quotations I used as evidence of my beliefs, I most assuredly do not want to know you. I will tell you honestly that according to Luther, Tozier, Moody, Calvin, Lewis and other giants of faith, your prescribed saturday sabbath plus obeying 10 commandments may get you an attaboy from your congregation and pastor but its 'filthy rags' in Gods eyes. Please feel free to jump me when I post as its anonymous and poses no danger as it would should you have the courage to face me in person. I have done my best to be civil and courteous as I shared the gospel here. I cant promise either face to face and in person under the same response. As a follower of Jesus I'm not required to be pacifist or adhere to non-violence creedo. But again I doubt your courage to face me in person and have learned a lot from this encounter. Vaya Con Dios

#8.1 Rob Roy on 10/02/10 at 07:54 AM

Don't apologize to that clown.

#8.1.1 YourWelcome on 10/02/10 at 04:50 PM

Dont be so angry. Not everyone has insight to add. We do not mind you coming on here and just watching the minds of others work.

#8.2 DirtyRags on 10/02/10 at 12:38 PM

I know you are bullsheeting about your "regrets. I think your lack of respect for the 10 Commandments is crazy. I do not agree with much of your other views either. But you sound 100% convinced by what you speak. And if you truly believe this with ALL your heart you are in a good place with God. There are many that believe they are doing 100% for God and have numbers of people disagree with them. The Radical Muslims are one of them. Them too, have no respect for the 10 Commandments either. Just attacks, and suicide missions. So I made a good point saying These Muslims will do more for their God than a self proclaimed "Christian". As they sacrifice their life to God. A misled Christian will sacrifice nothing. Dirty rags? So your faith supports adultery, murdering, stealing, lying, coveting, not supporting the Sabbath, and so on. I am sure thats what Jesus would have wanted! Who would have courage to face you. You have no morals, do not believe in the 10 Commandments, and and think you are going to heaven no matter what you do. You are just as scary as Bin Laden. Wish I had learned something from you.

#8.2.1 Meansville Militia on 10/02/10 at 11:16 PM

OK I'm gonna leave you a TRUTH just so you can say hmmmm I did learn one truth from that nut.. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.Ephesians Chapter 2vs 8,9,10....That faith is in Jesus Christ of Nazareth..period....you can check all my posts and and there is not even a single sentence that I bore false witness against you. OTOH you falsely have witnessed in writing against me accusing me of adultery, lying, coveting, not supporting the sabbath, you bore witness I had no morals and didnt believe the 10 commandments. You dont know me but you have condemned me anyway. WHY ? What have I done except try earnestly and honestly to show truth usuing the bible as Gods word. I pray God Bless and keep you. This is no frivolus game. Your eternal soul is at stake

#8.2.1.1 militia #6 on 10/05/10 at 11:12 AM

this sounds real sweet what you write. if you know what the blog numbers represent he is referring to blog #6. i find this blog repulsive also. you mock jesus with you disgusting and selfish attitude.

#8.3 tonites the nite bro on 10/02/10 at 01:16 PM

you should have seen me last nite MM. that party was off the chain. after reading your blog every one start actin a fool. I sure hope none of dem womaan wer related to you. beleave me we did not even think about dem comandments. dirty rags, luv it. MM you hav got christians unleached! To be in a relaytion ship and not think adultree is not a sin is cool. i hav never felt so free. boycott the commandmnts. Jesus saves!! Party at the ranch to night. yall no where! Its saturday night Adultree night. leave the husband at the house. this christian is bout to get his freek on! Jesus saves!! All thes peeple on hear saying dona johnson killer is goin to hell! They stupid.Tell them MM. God loves them. Were are all killers and rapists. We gotta hook up. Peeple still agruing about this with me. If I can Act a fool round your family it would be better. At least you will understan if i do nasty things to them. not that i want to but you no we cant help are selfs.t i stay on vega road. maybe you bring the family an we have a big fire and drink n stuff. you will be idolized by many! we love you MM.

#9 Sheila Tolley on 10/02/10 at 09:08 AM

Please let me simplify this for everyone.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

(I personally agree with the assumed (various) writers on this blog, but it must really be the same person. It took 3000 years to compile the Bible and some things MUST have been left out, inserted, modified etc. If you want me to believe any differently, tell me the name of any human that you have conversed face-to-face with who is 3000 years old. Because then I may believe that someone was in charge to prevent the "writer with the biggest sword from having it his way."

#9.1 Definition Of Ignorance on 10/03/10 at 11:26 AM

We do not want it simple. We want it complex. It makes it easier for us to play stupid that way. Interpretations are great also. It gives us even more to work with. Its like when you get Audited by the IRS. If you keep it simple it will make it that much easier for them to do their job. You have to go there with so many boxes of paperwork and receipts it will make their head spin. The facts will be in there but with so much other junk piled on it will make it hard to find. 300 years after Jesus died all Christians except for the Seventh-Day Adventist make a change. They decide to Worship on Sunday. For the next 1700 years most Christians will become so lost they will begin to think it has become the new Sabbath. A rewritten Commandment! Can you imagine? And some how now in modern day think the actual Sabbath as well as their self proclaimed Sabbath no longer has to be kept holy. Just a family reunion and a good meal afterwards at a local restaurant putting people to work. On the Sabbath! Might as well murder some one while your at it. Because all sins are equal in importance. And what really gets me is most people do not even want to hear the truth. They like their new simplified religion. Who can blame them. They made being a Christian so easy a caveman can do it. Listen to them on this blog. They will fight it to their last breath no matter how much fact there is to it. That is the definition of ignorance. I am going to let Rob Roy look that one up himself. And I admit I did get a little off course. All this debate has refreshed my memory. If you do keep the true Sabbath (Saturday) holy, you can do anything you please on Sunday. But after all this factual information you still believe WITH ALL YOUR HEART that it is Sunday, treat the day like it is a Sabbath. A day of rest. A day not to cause anyone to work. Because after all you claim it to be your Sabbath. The Commandments is one easy way to tell how many people really love Jesus. When you see people giving those 10 Commandments their best shot all through life, you have found a friend of Jesus. All others are fake, self righteous, selfish, people that are doing more of Satans work than you realize. Satan still powerful at fooling folks. Look around. Slick isnt he!

#9.1.1 Anonymous on 10/06/10 at 07:32 PM

Do you eat pork?

#9.1.1.1 PorkyPig on 10/06/10 at 07:50 PM

Heck no. Again neither do all Christians. A portion of Christians found one verse in the Bible and twisted it so they can be selfish and eat pork and bottom feeders. A Baptist give up barbecue? You really are going to start a battle on here now. And what a coincidence, that portion is the same sect that has no respect for the Sabbath also. Or much else for that matter. Yes all free for all Christians eat pork. But fact is not all Christians eat pork. Have you ever seen a pig farm? I do not know who would eat an animal of such disgusting habit. Besides FTB and RobRoy that is.

#9.1.1.1.1 v smith on 10/07/10 at 06:46 AM

you really have a man crush on Rob and Fat. you just can't help mentioning them. it's like they are in your blood.

they must have really got to you for you to just continue to mention them.

you must be a really easy target.

#10 Do Nothing For Donna on 10/02/10 at 01:34 PM

Now thats what the real title of this article should be. At least all her "supporters" would feel like they are doing their part!

#11 EasyansweronSabbath on 10/03/10 at 02:05 PM

So what happens to those who have to work on Sats and Suns ? Firemen, Policeme, Military , Docs and Nurses , Pastors and staff etc: etc: Are they going to hell if they believe and try their best to be pure and holy in God's eyes but work on the Sabbath whichever day it is ?
I can easily sum it up for you all and trust me I'm no bible scholar but I did stay in a Holiday express once. The words says and I used the NIV but you choose your own version.

Romans 14 : 5
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

#11.1 UpsideDownPyramid on 10/03/10 at 06:38 PM

If you are fully convinced that the bible, encyclopedia, and history books are wrong, that is your belief. And this really did not even become an issue until over 300 years after the death of Jesus. This verse you give does not say not to start breaking the Commandment to keep the Sabbath holy. When people try to use verses like this to try to override a Commandment, it is what we call building an upside down pyramid. In other words your foundation is in the wrong place. You can try to interpret Romans 14:5 to mean what ever you want. But it does not say disregard the 10 Commandments. Or does it say do not keep the Sabbath holy. But the Bible does say that Jesus said if you love him to keep the Commandments holy. No need to interpret or guess. A simple statement. Just like the 10 Commandments. Nothing to interpret. Simple laws to follow. But so hard for so many Christians to follow. No guessing or great wonder. Just as it is written. Thats how you build a pyramid. With an unshakable foundation. Not an iffy one or one you think might be solid. Jesus said if you love him to keep the Sabbath holy in every version. And every version and all history books and other books of fact will tell you the Sabbath is on Saturday. I am not making this up. I am not taking verses and twisting them for my satisfaction. This is how it is written. As far as people who are crucial to saving lives and the safety and well being of others it is understood they have to work. They are supposed to turn their profit over to the church. And this is something between those that do have to work and God. But if your employer says you have to work a job that is not in this category and you work, you just chose to put that job before God and the word of Jesus. So now you just broke another Commandment.And do not feel bad, this is common. There is a lot of "so called" Christians, that when it really comes down to it, do not have enough faith in God to do otherwise. Its my job man. My faith in God and Jesus is not that strong that I am going to sacrifice anything. I mean thats just God and Jesus. You are talking about MONEY now. No way. Screw the Commandments! Time and a half too! Sorry God, sorry Jesus! This is Gods declared day of rest. No one is to work out of selfishness. No one is supposed to cause anyone else to work. Go ahead read the Commandments. Pretty easy to understand to me. I do not understand why people work at a religion they are not even going to attempt to do right. Too selfish to do their best at upholding 10, yes 10 simple Commandments.You really think you are going to disobey God and Jesus on purpose and with total disregard? And then get to heaven? I wish I could be so ignorant. Life would be sooooooo much easier. Heck with that attitude I can cheat on my wife and start killing folks. Now I know why so many children are being molested in these Christian churches. Its just one big free for all! You self proclaimed Christians got it going on. Do whatever you want and go to heaven. But I do give one big credit to the people who started putting this idea in folks heads. They have created one of the easiest and most profitable (go figure!) "versions" of the Christian religions out there. And actually in its "version" would make it the easiest religion to follow in all the world!That alone should be the first clue something is not right.

#11.1.1 easyansweronsabbath on 10/04/10 at 05:34 AM

About three lines into your rant I stopped reading as most others will, We agree to disagree and your wrong.
THE SABBATH DAY IS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK! THINK ABOUT IT!....WOULD GOD ONLY CALL FOR ONE DAY A WEEK TO BE HOLY? IS THIS HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE, ONE DAY A WEEK YOU WILL BE HOLY UNTO GOD? NO MY FRIEND, "EVERYDAY" IS THE "SABBATH DAY," IN THE SINCE THAT WE ARE TO WALK BEFORE THE LORD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS EACH AND EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES! HE'S SAYING IT IS ALL BY FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST! IT IS A WALK OF HOLINESS!
My friend, under the "Mosaic Law," You would be put to death for gathering firewood on the Sabbath! Can you imagine the Lord killing you for going to the market, or for washing your car, or even having to work an extra day that week! NO! God does not operate that way! Again, this is tradition, religious spirits in the church, self- righteousness, to think that only "ONE DAY A WEEK IS HOLY!"

#11.1.1.1 GodSaysDontWork! on 10/04/10 at 11:50 AM

Yes God did not want us to work or any one else to work everyday of the week. That is the most idiotic thing I have heard yet. You want to bash what is written and then write some dribble that makes sense to no one. You do amuse me and I thank you for the first laugh of the day. Now self proclaimed Christians not only can do whatever they want, god wants them to rest and do no work all week. The bible says all Commandments are of equal importance. Jesus said if you love them keep them holy. I did not write this. That is what is written. Read the Commandment that explains how to keep the Sabbath holy. Thats the only day we are speaking of here. Once you can get that one day right you can move on to the others. Its about a day of rest not a week. You do not get put to death for purposely disobeying God. But you really think you get a free ticket to heaven? As hard a time as all you Christian have with this simple Commandment, I dont know why you dont pack it in a find another religion. Hanging around the Church and doing nothing right is not going to get you to heaven. God says do not work for seven days? You really tickle me with that one. Please let some more of this dribble shine through. It helps understand the level you are on.

#11.1.1.2 FootInTheMouth on 10/04/10 at 12:02 PM

Why do you want to be a part of a religion that you can not even follow the Commandments of. Obviously you do not want to listen to God or Jesus. So I know you are not going to agree with me. Where does it say that God will kill you? You have to show me where that is written. I need to see where all this knowledge you claim to have is coming from. Also where does it say God wants to change the Seventh day from being the Sabbath to everyday. No work for a week! I wish I could jump on board with you self proclaimed Christians. You all managed to create the easiest religion world wide. And being people are lazy and selfish by nature, the most profitable.

#11.1.1.3 Anonymous on 10/04/10 at 12:39 PM

Looks like you quit reading three lines into the Commandments!

#11.1.1.4 Anonymous on 10/04/10 at 02:06 PM

r u for killing and committing adultree to? or you just beleve in desecrating the sabbboth.

#11.2 Speaking of laws on 10/07/10 at 03:58 PM

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

One must wonder why there are so many people wanting to site Leviticus for gay bashing, but they never mention these rules. How strange. It is common that a Christian will blow off these old rules with "Jesus came to change the laws, so these are outmoded, and we don't need them", but throughout Leviticus God states that these laws are to be followed forever. Hmmm.

The Ten Commandments

The Ten Commandments are very famous examples of Biblical rules, but it can be amazing how few people know what's included in them. Let's recap.

1. You are to have no other gods before God

2. You are not to make any graven images.

3. Don't use the Lord's name in vain

4. Keep the Sabbath holy

5. Honor your mother and father

6. Do not kill

7. Do not commit adultery.

8. Don't steal

9. Don't bear false witness.

10. Don't covet the neighbor's house.

Here are some things you may not know were included within the commandments.

People seem to think the second commandment says you aren't supposed to make a graven image of God, and that's it. But you are not to make any graven images of anything in heaven, in the earth, or in the water. This would include no graven images of fish, moles, worms, birds, shrimp, ants, and all sorts of things. One must wonder why God was so worried about these things that he felt the need to put these ahead of murder and stealing.

In the third commandment, people think that means we shouldn't work, but just go to church on the Sabbath. But NOBODY is to do any work, including your employees, your cattle, nor anyone who is visiting you.

While you are not coveting your neighbor's house, also refrain from coveting other things he owns, like his wife, ass, and ox.

The Often Overlooked Rules in Deuteronomy

The book Deuteronomy also lays some laws down, but nobody ever mentions them, but why not take a look at those laws also?

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

#11.2.1 NoCompetition on 10/07/10 at 06:19 PM

Again, these "laws" are not Commandments. Commandments go against the killing of anyone. Even at war. Any of these verses which are written by man does not override the 10 Commanments. The 10 Commandments were written in stone by God. As it is written anyway. It just amazes me that what ever man scribbled on paper in the Bible has more effect on your actions than what God has written in stone. Bin Laden will write you some verses to, if you wish. Are you going to put those above Gods Commandments also? Or is there just certain people whose word you choose over Gods. I am looking for an educated response. So please FTB, MM, and RobRoy do not respond. Go ahead my friend I welcome your educated opinion on the subject. I was taught that no verse in the Bible should be used to twist the Commandments. After all they were Gods own words. How can mans words even compete?

#11.2.2 ACaveManCanDoIt! on 10/07/10 at 06:24 PM

Not all Christian churchs support gay people. Just the ones that worship on Sunday. I guess it makes sense they are also always on the news for molesting children. These are what most call the free for all, self proclaimed, Christians. There really isnt much they dont do.

#11.2.3 BunsOfSteel on 10/07/10 at 08:02 PM

So my wife is right. God does not like me looking at my neighbors a$$. Now I see why nobody wants to follow the Commandments!

#11.2.3.1 uradumasstoo on 10/08/10 at 08:42 AM

no he doesn't want anyone looking at your wife's a$$ (you)

#12 EasyForTheSimpleMinded on 10/04/10 at 01:34 PM

We agree to disagree, and you are wrong? That does not even make sense. I am not trying to be right or wrong. I am just telling you what is written in the Bible. And you are trying to twist what is written. Your Romans 14:5 for example. It states nothing on the subject of the Sabbath. But you will try to build an upside down pyramid with it. And then with this blog you prove to everyone that reads it that you do not even know what the Commandments state. I have never seen such a desperate attempt by someone to try to twist a simple Commandment. Go on with your selfish life. I am not trying to get personal about this. If I was I would give you my opinion also. But most agree what is written holds more water than what people think.

#12.1 fat bass tard on 10/05/10 at 10:24 AM

all you've done is execute personal attacks on everyone on this blog who disagrees with you.

rob roy is right. you are a hypocrite and a clown.

#12.1.1 Sorry on 10/06/10 at 02:12 PM

I have been personally attacked on here for what it says in the Bible. I did not write it. It was written thousands of years before my time. But thanks to a good education I can read and understand 10 simple (well,not to you) Commandments. And due to my education I can comprehend what Jesus meant when he said if you love him keep them holy. I guess I owe you an apology and will pray that God will intervene and gift you and RobRoy with the ability of reading and comprehension. Your own blogs are evidence of your lacking in that area.

#12.1.1.1 Sheila Tolley on 10/08/10 at 08:18 AM

YOU or no one else, knows how many commandments God delivered. You only know how many made it through the 3000 year edit process.

#12.1.1.1.1 LandOfMakeBelieve on 10/08/10 at 12:41 PM

True. Again thats why we do not speculate when reading the Bible. Nor do we make interpretations. We just go by "how it is written". Me and plenty of people know how many Commandments have been delivered in the Bible. If you read it, you would know also. 10 Commandments. It is pretty. Simple. Funny that you still do no know how many Commandments are in the Bible. Again that is simple Bible basics. No wonder you are so easily lost. Besides you cannot even follow the basic and only 10 Commandments in the Bible. You need to worry about the ones that are written, before you start making up unfounded statements about your imaginary Commandments. Thats the problem with self proclaimed Christians. They stray from what is written and want to make stuff up. More than 10 Commandments? Not in the Bible I have. Maybe Jesus has already returned. Maybe Bin Laden is Jesus.It was just left out in the editing process. But I will not even go there. But thats the level you are on right now. Maybe a lot of things happened. But as a Bible scholar you are not permitted to interpret or make things up. All we are allowed to do is take the book and read what it states. As the Seventh-Day Adventists and other religions do. It is just a portion of Christians like yourself that loves to dribble about unfounded things. God has a make believe heaven that has been edited out the Bible. Enjoy your time there!

#12.1.1.1.2 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 01:06 PM

You have a real valid point. This is why people of science do not even value the book at all. All it really is, is a bunch of unfounded dribble. We do not study it for facts. We just study it for face value. Some religions take this face value and follow its written ways. Then there are people like you that think they are dealing with an incomplete book. There for, can make up things like all self proclaimed Christians do. And as all Bible scholars laugh about, it is always in THEIR self interest. Selfish reasons. And then try to uphold it with a whole list of meaningless information to help try to support their sorry attempt. I will confess I am not a Jew. I was having fun being a Jew for a day, you can say. After all they are all just Beliefs. Who knows, one day if i purposely and knowingly break a Commandment, I will pretend to be a Southern Baptist for a day. I might have just came up with the ultimate free ride in life! Or did those nondenominational churchs already beat me to it!

#12.1.1.1.2.1 fat bass tard on 10/08/10 at 03:23 PM

the word is drivel. dribble is what you do when eating.

#12.1.1.1.2.1.1 TongueTwister on 10/09/10 at 12:38 AM

Being I mispronounce most words I get them mixed up with others. But you know I had to double check anyway. And you are indeed correct! As rare as that happens you must feel pretty good right now.

#12.1.1.1.2.1.2 Mayhem on 10/09/10 at 11:37 AM

Where you at? At least if I am disrespecting God today I can blame it on your slow a$$. Unless that is you have begun to respect the Sabbath by upholding all the laws you found out about it. In that case I guess I got to wait until tomorrow.

#12.1.2 3FingersPointingBack on 10/06/10 at 02:16 PM

Clown sometimes, but can you define the hypocrite part? A hypocrite goes against what is written in the Bible. You need to man up and own up to that one.

#12.1.2.1 Anonymous on 10/07/10 at 12:29 PM

He's already explained it to you once. You were blogging on the Sabbath. I know you are slow, but you should at least remember that.

#12.1.2.1.1 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 10:48 AM

Bloging on the Sabbath? Bloging is not work to me. Neither is passing on Gods words. So I tried to figure out how many people I caused to work and the profits I made doing this. And came up with zero in both departments. I love how desperate you have become to mock me. From seeing some other blogs I see how they can consider it work. Working to discredit the Bible will take a lot of energy. But a handicap man on the computer preaching the word of god, work? How childish. Now you make me feel bad using the toilet that day. Now that was work. At least compared to bloging. Should I feel bad for that also?

#12.1.2.1.1.1 fat bass tard on 10/08/10 at 12:54 PM

you should really learn the rules if you are going to claim a religion and then put everyone else down about not following theirs. one of the items forbidden on the Sabbath:

Writing/forming a meaningful character or design.

Here is a link to all the rules you need to follow tomorrow so that you aren't a hypocrite as well as a clown (nothing you can do about clown).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat#Writing_.28two_or_more_letters.29

#12.1.2.1.1.1.1 WhichOne on 10/09/10 at 12:28 AM

Which Commandment states this? I checked my Bible and other books that list the 10 Commandments and do not see it. My computer crashed about 8 weeks ago and is now running now about half its cylinders. I was not able to access that link. But I would rather find it in the Bible anyhow. This way I know it is factual.

#12.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 fat bass tard on 10/09/10 at 06:18 PM

in another post you claimed to be jewish. if you are you should follow their rules.

that is a rule.

just admit you are full of it and we can move on...

#12.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 AllOriginal on 10/09/10 at 07:54 PM

I follow Gods Commandments. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not try to make them greater than what they are nor do I try to weaken them. Interpretations and mans words are all second hand information. They cannot even compare to Gods own words.

#12.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2 Mayhem on 10/09/10 at 08:00 PM

Christians who do not uphold the 10 Commandments are the ones full of it. Observe them and the evidence will speak for it self.

#12.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.3 Simplicity on 10/10/10 at 10:22 AM

That is your problem. You would rather obey mans rules and interpretations. I guess it would be a lot easier then doing what God clearly stated in the Bible. It is funny to me that the portion of Christians you choose to worship with, are the ones that made their religion the easiest one to follow in the world. Not one sacrifice. The first religion of its kind known to man. And what people find funny, is they have never "interpreted" anything that would make the religion harder for their selfish followers. Its always to make this portion of the Christian religion a free ride. See how long you would last at a Seventh-Day Adventist Church. That is if your boss will give you permission to have the day off. If not you have just made bossman your new God. You think a graven images (which are not blogs) make him mad. Tell him he has been replaced by your supervisor.

#13 BabyTalk on 10/06/10 at 08:41 AM

Disagree with me? I did not write the Bible. But I see you are trying real hard to rewrite it!

#14 rhoda dunn on 10/07/10 at 10:26 AM

WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THIS GOT TO DO WITH DONNA? AFTER ALL, THAT IS WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT. PREACH AT CHURCH. HELP CATCH DONNAS MURDERS, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT!!!

#15 keepn it real on 10/07/10 at 11:01 AM

All the simple questions have been asked. Nobody has answers. If you want to catch a murderer on a cold case post a reward and hire a private investigator. Its not about that anyhow. Its about how no one has made any real attempt to catch a killer.

#15.1 Concord Resident on 10/07/10 at 12:11 PM

Post a reward and hire a private investigator.

Yeah, that worked out for JonBenet Ramsey, didn't it.

#15.1.1 YourABigHelp on 10/07/10 at 12:56 PM

I am sure it didnt hurt the case. It was just good enough to me people cared enough to offer one. Not every case can be solved. But you still need to do all you can do. No one has done anything in this case.

#15.1.2 UraniumInConcordToo? on 10/07/10 at 02:00 PM

So you must think a reward is a bad idea? People like you is why this case has went nowhere. I am sure if Donna could hear you, she would be glad you are against a reward.

#15.1.2.1 Concord Resident on 10/07/10 at 07:04 PM

As usual, you jump to conclusions. I'm not against a reward. I haven't heard many say they are against a reward. You are missing my point.

There was a reward. There should still be a reward. Where is the reward? Ask the authorities! WHERE IS THE MONEY that was already donated? Donna's living family can't access it.

All anyone in authority can say is "NO COMMENT".

#15.1.2.1.1 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 10:36 AM

I thought I could get answers, to these simple questions, on this blog. If I was a true supporter, I would have done like you said. I am sure someone who really cares about this lady will read this and get back to us with answers. I will get a pen and some paper and keep track of how many people that is.

#15.1.2.1.1.1 Concord Resident on 10/08/10 at 12:16 PM

I see. You just come to the blogs daily and stir things up to see what floats to the surface. Well, have at it.

Keep this in mind: Those that stir the pot with a short stick are often splashed with the contents of the pot. Hope it doesn't stain that fine hair shirt you wear.

#15.1.2.1.1.1.1 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 05:00 PM

Often, but not all the time. I am what you would call a professional with that stick you speak of.

#15.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Rob Roy on 10/10/10 at 12:23 PM

A professional idiot?

#15.1.2.1.1.1.2 WalkingTall on 10/09/10 at 03:39 PM

So what is the moral of your story? Simple, use a long stick! And you could not have a longer stick than the internet.

#16 GettingAwayWithMurder on 10/07/10 at 11:35 AM

Over 30% of all murders are unsolved in the USA. With an average of 8000 unsolved each year. That means there has been 208,000 unsolved murders since Donna's. And 8000 murders each year before. So with that it mind, it will be a little bit longer until we get to it. We figure at this point it is in the middle of a stack of over 500,000 unsolved murders. I know the wheels of justice move slow at times. Many people are aware of this and hire their own investigators. Others sit on their a$$ and wait for others. I would tell you which of these two gets results but I am not allowed to by my superiors. Do not let your small town mentality interfere with getting this case solved. Cases like this are in every almost every city in the country.

#16.1 Sheila Tolley on 10/07/10 at 01:57 PM

We are not worried about every city in the country. We are worried about a case that is being concealed by Richard Milam in Barnesville, Georgia.

#16.2 Sheila Tolley on 10/07/10 at 02:18 PM

Well, GettingAwayWithMurder, it is like this. Only 33 of these millions that you speak of are in Georgia. Donna's is the oldest of these open homicides by six years. I think it is time for some action. I would be satisfied with only two answers from a reliable source. Does Richard Milam believe in our judicial system? If so, why does he prevent Donna's case from being reviewed by a grand jury?

If he is so solid in his thinking that there is insufficient evidence, the results from a grand jury should only confirm his thinking.

Richard?

#16.2.1 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 10:52 AM

"Millions I speak of?". All the numbers combined in this bolg do not even add up to one million. And you think there has only been 33 unsolved murders in Georgia since Donnas death? Quit them drama classes you are taking and see if you can get into a math class unstead.

#16.2.1.1 Sheila Tolley on 10/08/10 at 02:42 PM

Einstein...try to follow these quite simple steps.
(1) Google GBI.GOV
(2) Click on Unsolved Cases
(3) Click on Unsolved Homicides

Donna will be number 14 on the list of 33.
You are welcome. I admire your polite way of expressing yourself.

#16.2.1.1.1 Incomplete on 10/08/10 at 11:27 PM

You really think there has only been 33 murders that went unsolved since Donna's? There has been more than that in Atlanta alone since 2007. This is obviously a partial list. For example, the complete list has Jane and John Doe s on it. This one dont.

#16.2.1.1.2 187 on 10/08/10 at 11:29 PM

If you keep following simple steps you will never get the whole story. This is not a complete list.

#16.2.1.1.2.1 Buried Alive on 10/09/10 at 11:14 AM

there are more unsolved homicides. i guess georgia thinks people commit suicide and bury themselves. talented people like this are listed under unidentified remains on the gbi website.

#16.2.1.1.2.1.1 Robert Whitted on 10/10/10 at 02:29 PM

Anyone check DNA for Ann Morgan? There are some cute artist renderings of young ladies on that list, and Ann was a cute lady from the picture that was posted.

#16.2.1.1.2.1.2 Robert Whitted on 10/10/10 at 02:55 PM

Unidentified remains does not always mean murder.
Put on your thinking brain.

#16.2.1.1.2.1.2.1 TimeToUpgrade on 10/11/10 at 11:44 AM

So there was only one unsolved murder in Georgia before Donnas? The one in 1980? My thinking cap is one of them newer models that allows me to think outside the box. And it does not rely on second hand information so freely.

#16.2.2 p.livingston on 10/08/10 at 12:45 PM

only 33? think you left out a few zeros.

#16.2.2.1 Sheila Tolley on 10/08/10 at 02:43 PM

See my reply to 16.2.1

#16.2.3 GBI website unsolved murders on 10/08/10 at 03:58 PM

Unsolved Homicides

Name Race Height Weight Sex Incident Date
Christine Allen White 5' 6" 115 F 04/18/2002
Patricia A. Hanlon White F 07/27/2000
Christy Stephens F 10-01-1990
Doris Worrell White F 09/20/2006
Arlene Ivey Black F 09/15/2005
Odilon Cabrera Hispanic M 09/14/2007
Robin Reeves Standridge F 02/28/2001
Scott Arturo Castillo M 02/16/2004
Anthony Lee Dye, Sr. M 06/05/1996
Larry James Henderson M 11/12/1996
Robert M. Woody and Patricia A. Woody M 04/25/1990
1980 Morgan County Murder M
Luise Martinez M 01/18/1993
Donna Ogletree Johnson F 07/16/1984
Johnny Mitchell Jenkins M 01/20/1993
Walter J. Cropper 5' 8" 133 lbs M 10/06/1992
David Carl Bertsche 6' 175 lbs M 09/25/1992
Jennifer Lynn Stone F 04/23/1992
Levi Frady M 10/23/1997
Possible Homicide M
William Shane Edwards 5'11" 185 M 10/21/1995
Shailesh S. Patel M 04/08/2000
Toyal Jackson F 11/30/2000
Jimmy H. Webb M 10/6/2000
Douglas Edgell M 04/09/1998
Kelvin McDuffie M 01/16/2003
Tara Louise Baker F 01/19/2001
Kirsten Davis F 07/03/1991
Rita Hogandorf F 12/18/1996
Tommy Joe Wideman, Deborah Ann Wideman, Melissa Ann Wideman M 03/22/2002
Candida Marion Cook F 09/23/2002
Frances Lunsford F 07/09/2001
Anita Redmon F 07/16/2005

#16.2.3.1 Mayhem on 10/09/10 at 11:24 AM

This list has not been updated in five years. Post another one when the Pike County Reid Road murder is on it. At least then I will know you are working with something current.

#16.2.3.1.1 Robert Whitted on 10/10/10 at 02:32 PM

That case is being transferred to Milam in Barnesville so that it will processed in an expeditious manner.

#16.2.3.1.1.1 AreWeThereYet? on 10/11/10 at 11:37 AM

Does expeditious mean it will make the list before the usual five year time frame?

#16.2.3.2 TheShortList on 10/09/10 at 03:52 PM

You expect me to believe that there has only been one homicide in Georgia that hasnt been solved before Donna was killed. Thats what the list says. One unsolved homicide in 1980. And on top of that I am supposed to believe that between 1980 and 1990, all homicide cases in Georgia have been solved except for Donnas. Come on now.

#16.2.3.2.1 Robert Whitted on 10/10/10 at 02:52 PM

People here are just posting facts. If you have a problem with their validity, call The GBI, you pay their salary.

#16.2.3.2.1.1 ReallyMan? on 10/11/10 at 11:34 AM

People are posting the information that the GBI has listed. It is outdated and incomplete. If you think this list is factual and complete you need to quit being so easily misled.

#17 Mayhem on 10/08/10 at 04:58 PM

Having trouble with the link. My computer has issues. I take your word about it. Which Commandment specifies this. I looked in the bible and did not see it. I also checked the encyclopedia. Is this some more of your "add ons".

#17.1 Anonymous on 10/09/10 at 11:53 AM

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