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Bringing back the paddle

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Walter Geiger
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Saturday, April 17. 2010
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Reader submitted item from The Washington Post

In an era when students talk back to teachers, skip class and wear ever-more-risque clothing to school, one central Texas city has hit upon a deceptively simple solution: Bring back the paddle.

Most school districts across the country banned paddling of students long ago. Texas sat that trend out. Nearly a quarter of the estimated 225,000 students who received corporal punishment nationwide in 2006, the latest figures available, were from the Lone Star State.

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#1 Anonymous on 04/17/10 at 01:52 PM
paddle my kids and see what happens. i will take care of my own thank you so much. you need to worry about alot more than the kids. with all that is going on i dont want anyone touching my child.
#1.1 David Rawlins on 04/18/10 at 12:15 PM
I don't have a problem with parents "opting out" of paddling. But, if you "opt out" and your child is misbehaving, you should be required to pick them up within 30 minutes from the school.
#2 Sheila Tolley on 04/17/10 at 04:45 PM
Well, it is definitely too late to bring back the parents, isn't it?. I never got a paddling that I did not deserve. I would have been ashamed to tell my Mom if I got a paddling at school, I would have gotten another for misbehaving. Not nowadays. Parents condone misbehavior. "paddle my kid and see what happens," you will sue the education system. That is what is wrong with the world now. Big tough kids condoned by big, tough parents, craving attention themselves, but have no time to give their children any.
#3 Anonymous on 04/17/10 at 08:03 PM
I tell ya Sheila, I usually don't agree with much you comment about, but I agree 100% with this.
I wonder how the 'anti paddlers' are going to explain why paddling IS working in this school?
I just don't understand. They dont' want paddling, but then wonder why their kids are so bad, PLUS can't they see that what they are (or not) doing IS NOT WORKING!??!?!
People say that spanking kids will make them be violent. But I have NEVER heard of ONE person that was spanked say they turned out to be this way.
As for 'your not touching my kid', if parents would make the kids behave, then the school wouldn't have to 'touch them'.
Schools say the kids are out of control. They say parents need to disclipline them. But what they DON"T do is cooperate with the parents and disclipline them too.
Just as teachers want parents involved in their childs education and 'help them out' (the teachers)
Then the teachers should return the favor.
WHY do the schools and parents think there's so much bullying, suicides, killing in schools? Cause the kids KNOW they can get away with causing this stuff to happen!!

What LOTS of parents don't know is that schools do NOT disclipline kids because if they did, and made written reports, they would NOT get MONEY from the NCLB laws.
If anyone wants proof of this, just let me know and I'll post the exact legal statutes for this.

I think if parents KNEW that schools are CAUSING the kids to get KILLED because they want this MONEY, there would be an OUTRAGE!!!
#3.1 Sheila Tolley on 04/18/10 at 08:09 AM
I intended to put your exact comment, but you penned it for me. "As for 'your not touching my kid', if parents would make the kids behave, then the school wouldn't have to 'touch them'."

I know parents who know without a shadow of a doubt that their child is a MAJOR discipline concern for the schools. Their resolution is to "Not answer the cell phone when the school calls."

I would love to see those rules of which you speak.
I thank you.
#3.2 alley on 04/20/10 at 12:49 PM
How do you know this ? Have you been in the public schools? Do you know this is going on? The teachers would never put students at risk for money or any other reason.
#3.2.1 Anonymous on 04/20/10 at 02:41 PM
look at the links on #8 and #9
#4 A teacher on 04/17/10 at 10:26 PM
I agree with Sheila. As a teacher, I have no way to discipline children who are being hateful and disruptive and it is the children who do not misbehave that are suffering. Their education is being neglected because teachers do not have an effective way to maintain appropriate behavior in the classroom.

The world is a scary place and is only getting worse.
#5 Sheila Tolley on 04/18/10 at 08:24 AM
I have a nephew who is a very good teacher and family man in North Carolina. He had a bully in his class. A relentless one. He is a MAN, by the way. I mean in physical size. He caught the little punk and softly said, "If you cause any more trouble in my class, I am going to whip your butt so bad that you will be ashamed to let your bully buddies or parents know. The punk made it a point to behave in his class but remained problems to other teachers. But he told me, "you will be surprised, when you bring the biggest bully down to size "ONE on ONE" they actually become a positive influence on other delinquent classroom members."

Teachers do not get paid enough for the crap they take from kids. My sister-in-law, Glenda Goldman, was a teacher. My brother, Jon told me horror stories about the episodes of disrespect. If he could have gotten his hands on some of those little punks.........he would have had to whip some Daddys also, I am sure. But Jon is a man. My vote would have been in his corner. And just maybe, a punk, kid, disrespectable, little jerk would have learned ONE positive lesson in life. As well as his Dad. I love you, Jon.
#6 Anonymous on 04/18/10 at 10:52 AM
"Many educators and psychologists say that positive tools, such as giving praise for good behavior and withholding it for bad, are far more effective for discouraging misbehavior." I have three children and they pay no attention to this load of crap. I have had counselors tell me that they need more positive praise. They get positive praise, but what they wont get is damn spoiled. Thats the problem with kids these days. There are too many agencies like DFCS and the ones who think that spanking is bad. I got my butt beat for anything bad I did and Im a descent person for it. My kids wont end up in the news or on the papers for killing, stealing, or going crazy. The schools can still paddle here. They HAVE to and WILL call first and the parents are present, if they cant be then there is always a witness. My kids think I will let them spank their butts if they need it. I have gone to the school and tore a little rear end up for acting out in class. If children think someone cant or wont discipline them then they will act out. If they think oh wait this person can whoop me like momma or daddy does then they will chill out. To the outrageous person who made the first comment. You will see what you are doing to your precious little brats, but it will be too late to fix it. Remember this blame it on your self.
#6.1 David Rawlins on 04/18/10 at 12:54 PM
I agree with you. A spanking is much more effective than a good talking to any day.

See I can get along with anonymous if I want to...
#6.2 Sheila Tolley on 04/18/10 at 01:41 PM
Well said. I WOULD not and COULD not watch anyone spank my son. BUT you bet your sweet butt that I would be there mighty quick to get the facts and take appropriate action. IN A NEW YORK MINUTE.....
#6.3 Anonymous on 04/18/10 at 04:43 PM
DFCS does not think spanking is bad, DFCS gets involved when a child is injured
#6.3.1 Sheila Tolley on 04/18/10 at 09:45 PM
I wouldn't know. I have never had any dealings with them. It seems with all the wasted tax money, that someone should get involved before children are injured. If informed, of coarse. We may need to hunt another brown paper bag and allocate it with prudent judgement.
#6.3.2 David Rawlins on 04/19/10 at 06:44 AM
I had an officer with DFCS that I was having dinner with tell me that DFCS would arrest me for spanking my children.

I invited him to the house to watch. He never showed.
#6.3.2.1 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 01:00 PM
DFCS does not have "officers" or arrest powers. He was an imposter
#7 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 07:39 AM
Sheila, I keep trying to post the laws here, but it won't let me, I guess it's too long. I keep trying to shorten it. I'll keep trying to post it here.
#8 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 10:49 AM
Sheila, I'll put this in 2 separate posts to see if I can get it all on here

Below are comments made by me and another lady who is very familiar with the NCLB laws. -

''I have read on the internet (but don't know if this is fact) that NCLB has a 'stipulation' that schools will get more money for the less disclipline issues they have. And the way to know if schools have disclipline issues is by disclipline reports.
It would seem that the schools would actually stop the bullies so they can get the money.
Not true. They don't punish the bullies so there are no disclipline reports and 'ta da' more money! I have also heard that schools punish the victim instead to try and 'calm' down the bully, to the point of pushing the victim out of the school ( I have heard this happen a few times)

''J, you are correct. The less disciplinary reports to the state via annual reporting, more money from NCLB. Wonder what some of the lawsuits cost them???? Most schools avoid reporting disciplinary actions in order to prevent earning the dubious honor of being named a 'persistently dangerous school." Once that happens, students may transfer out, at district expense. So in an indirect way, funding is attached to safety in the schools:

http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/persistently_dangerous.html

http://www.ruraledu.org/articles.php?id=1958

(continued on next post)
#9 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 10:51 AM
"In addition, increased numbers of long term student suspensions and expulsions pave the way for schools to be labeled “Persistently Dangerous Schools (PDS)” under the NCLB Act, potentially encouraging student transfers, possible loss of federal and state funding, and the ultimate threat of school closure."

http://csmh.umaryland.edu/resources/CSMH....choolsBrief.pdf

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=508694&mode=2

'One part of NCLB is called the Unsafe School Choice Option. It requires that each state that receives federal funds establish and implement a statewide policy requiring that a student who attends a “persistently dangerous” public school be allowed to attend a safe public school. Each state also must establish and implement a policy that permits a student who becomes the victim of a violent criminal offense, while in or on the grounds of any public school that he or she attends, to transfer to a safe public school. '


So, what this is basically saying is that if a child is being bullied, they have the legal right to go to a safer school. And the school will have to pay for this. In one way, this is how they will lose funds. In one of the links above it states that if schools are labeled 'persistantly dangerous' they will lose funds. I wonder how many parents know their child can legally go to a safer school? I would bet NONE

As for DFACS getting involved when a child is injured, a crock of baloney. My step grandsons mothers boyfriend beat on them. DFACS was called in. They said the boys could live with their father. But close to the court date for custody, DFACS turned on them and harassed the father and boys, trying to get the boys BACK into this abusive situation. That was, until the judge caught on to them.
I have never seen so much corruption. And this was GRIFFIN DFACS, by the way.
#9.1 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 01:04 PM
The "safer school" move only applies if the new school has "room" for the student

DFCS does not intend to keep families apart, the change in placement is usually temporary until the original family unit can be reunited after the risk/danger has been mitigated by some intervention factor
#9.2 Sheila Tolley on 04/19/10 at 03:03 PM
WOW! That is incredible and news to me. Bully kids are disgusting. The teachers should not be required to PUT UP WITH THEM and neither should bus drivers. People use school as baby sitters and buses as transportation to get them there. I would have a hard time finding a teacher guilty if she beat the crap out of a bully. BUT if that happened the parent could crawl out of the bar or bed long enough to hire a lawyer, whatcha bet?
Thank you for the interesting info.
#9.2.1 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 07:30 PM
Schools have written policies on bullying behavior and they do not allow it- It is in the student handbook
#9.2.1.1 Anonymous on 04/20/10 at 08:11 AM
Just because it's in a handbook doesn't mean they follow it. And they DON"T.

If they don't allow it, WHY is there SO MUCH bullying in ALL schools in US?
To the point of killing and suicides???
#9.2.1.2 David Rawlins on 04/20/10 at 08:24 AM
Yes, but it requires the person being bullied to go to an administrator something children being bullied are not likely to do.
#9.2.1.2.1 David Rawlins on 04/20/10 at 08:50 AM
My son (who is huge) was being bullied by 6-7 students. When he finally got tired of it and took matters into his own hands, he received a day of ISS. The bullies were required to sign a paper saying they would not bully again but were not punished at all.
#9.2.1.2.1.1 Anonymous on 04/20/10 at 11:50 AM
so much for going to the administrators, heh? Schools most times punish the VICTIM and NOT the bully, as you have just posted.
No wonder kids don't go to the admins when they are bullied, nothing is done to be bullies, but to THEM instead. I wouldn't want to tell, either.
#9.2.1.2.1.1.1 David Rawlins on 04/20/10 at 12:13 PM
The thing is, he's 6' 205 lbs and could have just beat the crap out of them. He didn't because he was trying to be a good kid. When he finally got tired of it he got in more trouble than anyone else.

We need to go back to the good ole days. Have a fight, get a spanking, end of story.
#9.2.1.3 Sheila Tolley on 04/20/10 at 10:55 AM
The schools have signs that display Drug Free Zones also. Have they ever found drugs in school?
May be it just means the drugs are free. You have a spank-free kid, don't you.
#9.2.1.3.1 Anonymous on 04/20/10 at 12:19 PM
just saying they have policies on the subject which is more than we had when we were in school - Jeez - you don't have to be so mean. As for my kids, I'll share that they never had bullying problems in school, guess they are cool ??
#10 Justice on 04/19/10 at 02:21 PM
If my children were in school I'd allow them to be paddled. I don't allow them to misbehave at home and I don't want them misbehaving anywhere else either. When I was in elementary school one teacher would paddle kids at the front of the class... I actually only remember her doing it one time to a HORRIBLE, out of control boy. Those that could do as they please at home quickly learned they couldn't in her classroom.
I don't buy the crock about spankings causing violent behavior either. If it did, all my cousins and I would be serial killers.
#11 Anonymous on 04/19/10 at 08:32 PM
spare the rod? maybe we should go back to stoning people as well..
ignorance breeds ignorance..but I guess some people are not as evolved as others. there is more than one way to solve a problem. violence is not an answer..despite how "well" it has worked in the past.
#11.1 Sheila Tolley on 04/20/10 at 11:00 AM
Oh yes, a big group hug is sufficient. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
#11.2 Concord Resident on 04/20/10 at 11:34 AM
Spanking a child the right way isn't violence. It's discipline.

Perhaps your idea of a spanking is a beating? Big difference.
#12 wore two pairs of pants to school... on 04/20/10 at 08:57 AM
"quitcherbellyakin" boy do I remember that sign in Alton Pitts office...
#12.1 Sheila Tolley on 04/20/10 at 10:52 AM
I wonder if Alton Pitts remembers me. I think he does. I take that back...I know he does.
#13 Dian on 04/20/10 at 09:32 AM
Evolved and progressive, blech. I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
#14 Anonymous on 04/20/10 at 11:45 AM
yea, wonder what Alton thinks about all this new no spanking crap.
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